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The Pope came forward with the notion that God used Evolution as the creative process.
This has, of course, sparked a large amount of debate.
But are these things, along with all the other things he has come forth with, just signs of this being the last Pope, heralding the destruction of the Catholic Church as we know it?
We discuss that topic in this episode, reviewing the Prophecy of Saint Malachy, and more.
The following are the show notes used in the recording of this episode. They are here for your reference and convenience.
The Great Debate Between Science and Religion
So the debates between the religious and the scientists have been raging on for decades.
Each side claims they are right in their take on evolution, and each side will not give an inch regarding it all.
Unless you have been in a cave for the past century or so, you know the debate. You know that the religious, primarily Christian, people out there say that there is no way that the theory of evolution could be true.
They say that the argument is a stupid one, and that God created everything. Some even go so far as to say that the world is literally only 6 to 7 thousand years old.
There are even museums out there showing an alternative view from that of science in the way the history of the world has happened.
These Creation Museums are filled with images of dinosaurs and men walking side by side together, showing that God created everything in short fashion and that sort of thing.
Some even go so far as to say that the Devil put the dinosaur bones in the ground as a way of tempting Christians into thinking outside of their faith.
On the other side of the debate, the scientific world claims that the world is billions of years old, and that everything that you see today has been a result of a series of inter-connected adaptations and mutations, leading us to the modern world you see before you.
They say that there was a primary ancestor somewhere in the past, a common ancestor for us and the great apes, such as gorillas, orangutans and chimpanzees. We are not directly descended from them, as some Christians misconstrue. Instead, there was a commonality in the far past and that we split apart from each other.
From amino acids joining together, to single celled organisms, to the great complex beings that we are right now, these events have led us to this moment in time.
Who is correct? The Christians are absolute in their beliefs, with no ground in the middle possible. It is either God created it al in his moment of time, or nothing.
Scientists, in turn, scoff at the very notion of some god putting everything ito place, and show the different geological and fossil records to prove i.t
Now, I won’t get into the debate here, as I have my own viewpoints that say slightly differently, though I do think that evolution did happen, in a fashion. Just not entirely in the way things are claimed.
Why Not Agree?
But I have always thought it rather odd that Christians could never come to terms with the idea that there could be a common ground. That God, himself, would use evolution as a method of creation. Why not, right It would satisfy both sides of the argument, at least, to some extent.
But, no, everyone has to be divided (oh how the powers that be love that) and anger, tempers, contention and chaos just has to rule the day for them.
What the Pope Said
Well, now Pope Francis has decided to stick his nose into the fray, stirring the pot with some really strange, to me, words.
Bear in mind, what the Pope says goes as far as Catholics are concerned. He is the embodiment of God on earth for the average catholic. What he says is the word of God, and that’s that.
So what did he have to say on the subject?
He said, and I quote…
“The Big Bang, which nowadays is posited as the origin of the world, does not contradict the divine act of creating, but rather requires it. The evolution of nature does not contrast with the notion of creation, as evolution presupposes the creation of beings that evolve.”
Now, that’s a pretty big step for the Pope. He’d better watch out as he goes traveling about in his little pope-mobile. Someone might just take a potshot at him, as them there are fightin’ words.
He said, again quoting here…
“When we read in Genesis the account of Creation, we risk imagining God as a magician, with a wand able to make everything. But it is not so.”
“He created beings and allowed them to develop according to the internal laws that he gave to each one, so that they were able to develop and to arrive and their fullness of being. He gave autonomy to the beings of the universe at the same time at which he assured them of his continuous presence, giving being to every reality. And so creation continued for centuries and centuries, millennia and millennia, until it became which we know today, precisely because God is not a demi-urge or a magician, but the creator who gives being to all things.”
For those of you that don’t know, had anyone said those words 150 – 200 years ago in fron t of a good catholic (or even protestant) man or woman, the would have been burned at the stake.
By the catholic church.
So now comes forward this droplet of “reason” in the mix, and we have a brand new ecumenical equanimity to end the debates.
It’s pretty crazy how far things have come, no?
So maybe the pope has heard me talking and agrees with my reasoning in the situation.
That would be nice to think of.
The debate, of course, continues to rage, despite what the pope mght have to say on the subject.
But it does bring me to an interesting thought.
What if, in the speaking of this message, the Pope is actually revealing information that has been known about fr ages, hidden away in the depths of the Vatican in the archives?
What if this is information that has been passed down, that was once known by all peoples, but has been lost to us, because some people wanted all of the power for themselves?
We know that nearly everything that has ever been written, whether on book, tablet or papyrus, has been squirreled away in the Vatican.
Oh, they love their little secrets.
Just like they love to hide things from us in plain sight. You know, all those little symbols that are everywhere?
But I digress.
All of this comes on the heels of his saying that the gays are okay, that aliens are our brothers and should be treated with the same ideas that the rest of humanity should. (i.e. they should be baptized and forgiven of sins). It’s just odd to me that this pope would be doing this.
Well, not really, actually.
The Prophecy Of Saint Malachy
You see, I also find it interesting that, according to some information that has been floating around for many, many years, this pope is to be the last pope. That the Catholic Church will be falling apart once this pope’s reign is complete.
This is known as Saint Malachys’ Prophecy of the Popes.
According to legend, in 1138 or so, a bishop named Malachy visited the Vatican. When he got there, he fell into a trance-state, during which time he saw the reigns of 112 popes in succession.
These were followed by the final fall of the Catholic Church.
When he woke from the trance, he wrote down everything he saw and gave each pope a Latin name.
When he died, the manuscript was allegedly hidden away in the Vatican archives until 1590, whereupon it was published publicly.
It really is odd how well the prophecies in Malachys’ vision have come to pass.
There is, of course, contention as to the validity of the prophecy, but it’s strange how closely they fit.
Let me give some examples…
During the most recent century, we have had Pope Pius XII, whom Malachy referred to as “Pastor Angelicus.” Most people acknowledge that this pope did, indeed, lead the church in quite a remarkable manner.
Pope John XXIII was called, “Pastor of Nauta,” shepherd and navigator. This pope was Archbishop of Venice and reconvened the Ecumenical Council which used the symbols of a cross and a ship.
Then came Pope Paul VI, the Flower of Flowers. this one had a series of Fleur-de-lis on his coat of arms, symbolizing a bouquet of flowers.
Then came the middle half of the moon, AKA Pope John Paul I. Born in Canale d’Ogardo, diocese of Belluno, which means beautiful moon. He was elected on the night of a half moon, and died one month later during a half moon.
Pope John Paul II, called either Labor or Eclipse of the Sun by Malachy, was elected during a solar eclipse.
And then we have Benedict XVI. Gloria Olivae, or, glory of the olive. Now, interestingly, Benedict took the name from the Order of Saint Benedict, which is also known as the Olivetans, after Jesus’ time spent on the Mount of Olives.
Seeing a pattern here? Interesting, no?
Francis, the last on the list, is known as Petrus Romanos, Peter the Roman.
This one is supposedly the final pope in Malachy’s prophecy.
Of this last pope, he says, “In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock amid many tribulations, after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people. The End.”
The seven-hilled city, of course, is the city of Rome, which is straddled in the seven hills area.
In about 1730, a priest called, “the Monk of Padua” made a series of predictions based on the work of Malachy. Of the final pope’s time, he said that the holy city will be burned while the final pope sits on the throne.
Now, I am not saying that the things this pope has had to say or do will cause the doom and gloom of the Catholic church, but I do find it interesting that such a reversal of stances on so many, to this point, “untouchable” and “blasphemous” ideologies would come from this, allegedly, final pope.
If anything, it’s food for thought.
I Don’t Disagree, Entirely…
Oh, and, at least, to me, I don’t disagree with his thoughts on the thinking that God could have used Evolution to bring about the universe.
Why not? Stranger things have happened.
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